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Madonna interview : Out

[Laughs] Well. I’m not having more children just to please your aesthetic sensibilities.

How about a Danish?

I eat plenty. believe me.

In terms of movies, I think you are the world’s most famous dartboard. Will you make more films?

You know, and this is hard for me–me!-to say, but I have sort of let that go. There is too much resistance. What film can survive people saying it’s going to be a bomb from the second it’s announced to the day it is released? It is a self
fulfilling prophecy. Making movies is such an effort and I always put so much into them. And to do that over and over again, with the possibility that I am going to get the shit kicked out of me–and they really enjoy doing it–I mean, it doesn’t make sense. And, look, I might even direct. I want to do a film about my wonderful dancers.

I’ve always thought you should do a film about Dietrich.

Really? The older Diehich. obviously.

That’s when her life really got interesting. Performing for the American troops, turning on her own country, the hot midlife affairs, the concert years–she had incredible discipline, like you.

She didn’t make any bones about it either. Well, that’s an interesting idea. Hmm… I never say never, really. And every dog has his day.

You are such a good girl now, and you try not to dis anybody.

I’m not that good, really.

What’s the deal with Elton John?

What can I say? He seems to be angry. I seem to have become a target. It’s not very gentlemanly or gracious. But he did send me a letter apologizing for his last outburst, right before his wedding.

David must have made him do it.

It was the day before his wedding. I dont know.

Well, I know it’s not Elton, but have you ever in your life been totally and completely intimidated by another person?

Yes. My husband’s mother.

Whoa! OK, we’ll just let that one lie there. How about famous people?

Well. there have been some people who I’ve met who I kind of went “Wow, but wasn’t intimidated. Prince Charles. Bill Clinton, the first time I met him. He is pretty charismatic and formidable. He knows a lot. That is very attractive.

You like smart men.

I like smart people. But for sure, any man who really interests me–I mean really interests me–has to have it going on upstairs.

I can’t believe you’re doing another tour! Yes, this summer. A girl has to make a living. you know! [Laughs] It’s based on Confessions, and it’ll be one big disco club wherever we go. And I want to do small and large venues. Smaller gigs in big cities, and then stadiums in others. But no stadiums in America.

Madonna…

So formal!

Marilyn Monroe once said that fame and success were like a long-distance race. You think you’ve made it, reached the finish line, but realize you never have– you have to keep proving yourself Do you feel that?

Yes, in a way. fame is both exhilarating and exhausting. For example, I was just editing the “making of’ special of my video, for which I had to learn to rollerskate, which was a major challenge. The whole thing was grueling. And at one point I’m hanging off a fence, and I think, Wait, what an I killing myself for? What more do I have to prove? And yet in the next moment I’m thinking how have to learn to perform on a trapeze! It’s my work, it’s what I love to do, it fulfills a lot of my fantasies, and…you have to reinvent to stay fresh, to stay in the game.

No retirement in sight?

Of course not! Dietrich never retired.

She just fell off the stage one too many times.

But she went on for as long as she wanted to. Why should there be a time limit on working or giving of yourself? Or on love and sex and looking attractive? Work isn’t everything, because if it was, I wouldn’t have children and I wouldn’t have married. But no one set of circumstances completes you. Maybe nothing ever does. So you work on your life, and you work on your work, and you try to live every single day like it’s your last. I don’t always succeed, but I try.

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